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All Draft-and-Stash Players in NBA history

While 2013 NBA draft was very unpredictable at the top, it had a familiar strategy at the bottom of each round: draft-and-stash.

Drafting players with no chance of coming to the NBA right away – either because of player’s intentions or because team doesn’t want him there – seems weird at first glance but it became such a staple of recent NBA drafts I just had to investigate this topic futher to get to the bottom of it.

So here’s what I did:
1) based on draft recaps from basketball-reference.com since 1950 I created a list of draftees who either didn’t play a single game in the NBA or they debuted at least a year later than their draft class.
a) among players who didn’t play at all I focused only on those drafted in the first couple of rounds because for decades draft in the NBA was way too long [and let’s be frank – I wanted to save a lot of time chasing unknown 7th rounders who really had no chance of playing in the NBA because of limited number of spots available].
b) I included all players who played in the NBA but started career later than they should based on draft year.

2) for every player from list above I used wonders of Google to identify possible reasons behind the delay.
If a possible draft and stash players were simply cut before their first season or for some other reasons didn’t really qualify as draft-and-stash type I deleted them from the list.

3) “Probable reason(s) for delay” below is my best guess at what happened to the player after the draft but in most cases [especially before 2000!] I have no idea about the relationship between cause and effect.
In other words, did player sign somewhere else because he wanted to or because he was able to get better contract or because he didn’t receive any offer from the NBA? Either way he became a draft-and-stash type so he is on the list below but we just don’t know who made that decision.

Starting in 1989 in some cases I had to gave up searching so I used “????????” as an explanation which means I couldn’t find anything. On the other hand, in situations I found interesting or unique for some reason I included links to sources and more than one word description. If you have any questions, or maybe if you know what did happen to some unsolved by me situations, let me know in the comments.

In total final list includes over 600 players so that’s why this post is basically only about the data.
For more analysis on this topic, using list below, please visit blog later this week…

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Posted by on July 4, 2013 in Fringe Stats

 

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Beijing 2008 Olympic Men Basketball More Statistics

While it’s too difficult to find raw statistics for all players in Olympic Basketball Games in Beijing it’s even harder if you are interested in something more than that. So… All numbers below are per 36 minutes.

GS stands for Game Score where the formula is PTS + 0.4 * FG – 0.7 * FGA – 0.4*(FTA – FT) + 0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK – 0.4 * PF – TOV while WS stands for Win Score which is calculated PTS + STL + ORB + 0.5*DRB + 0.5*AST + 0.5*BLK – TOV – FGA –0.5*FTA – 0.5*PF.

Table is sorted by a team and then by average minutes played.
For comparison you can also check similar statistics for London Games in 2012.
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Posted by on September 22, 2012 in Fringe Stats

 

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Olympic Basketball Beijing 2008 Raw Statistics

As with Olympic Basketball Statistics in London there’s a strange lack of easily available data for tournament-wide analysis. Official Page for US Basketball has a pdf file for each team but they are not import-friendly. Official FIBA Page is again divided into leaders in many categories which make it difficult to see players’ entire stat-line… you can find it on individual pages for the players but good luck doing it 144 times. Even usually reliable sports-reference.com dropped a ball here so I guess it’s up to me now ;-)

I collected boxscores from all games from ESPN and simply added them together for the following results… Table is sorted by a team and then by total minutes played.
You can also check those statistics per 36 minutes or compare to Games in London in 2012
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Posted by on September 21, 2012 in Fringe Stats

 

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London 2012 More Basketball Statistics for Men

While it’s too difficult to find even raw statistics from Olympic Basketball Games 2012 in London it’s just flat-out ridiculous if you are interested in something more than that. So… All numbers below are per 36 minutes.

WS stands for Win Score which is calculated PTS + STL + ORB + 0.5*DRB + 0.5*AST + 0.5*BLK – TOV – FGA –0.5*FTA – 0.5*PF while GS stands for Game Score where the formula is PTS + 0.4 * FG – 0.7 * FGA – 0.4*(FTA – FT) + 0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK – 0.4 * PF – TOV.
Table is sorted by a team and then by average minutes played.
You can compare those numbers to statistics from Beijing in 2008.

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Posted by on September 19, 2012 in Fringe Stats

 

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Olympic Basketball Men Raw Statistics London 2012

Olympic Men’s Basketball Tournament in London 2012 is in the books for over a month and yet for some strange reason statistics for all players are still difficult to find. Official Page for US Basketball is fine if you look for one particular team or just leaders. The same is true for Official Site of London Games and Official FIBA Page is divided into many categories which make it difficult to see players’ entire stat-line. Even always reliable sports-reference.com dropped a ball here so I guess it’s up to me now ;-)

I collected boxscores for all games from ESPN and simply added them together for the following results…
Table is sorted by a team and then by total minutes played. You can also check those Olympic statistics per minute or compare them to Raw Statistics from Beijing in 2008.
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Posted by on September 18, 2012 in Fringe Stats

 

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NBA 2009-10 Leaderboard WARP by Kevin Pelton

Kevin Pelton from basketballprospectus.com often uses in his articles statistic called Wins Above Replacement Player which is an interesting concept borrowed from Baseball Prospectus but unfortunately it is not easily available in any way to the readers. I couldn’t take it anymore so I visited page with links to all players and grabbed all available WARP data for them [along with some other stats] just to compile this list…

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Posted by on June 16, 2012 in Fringe Stats

 

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NBA 2008-09 Leaderboard WARP by Kevin Pelton

Kevin Pelton from basketballprospectus.com often uses in his articles statistic called Wins Above Replacement Player which is an interesting concept borrowed from Baseball Prospectus but unfortunately it is not easily available in any way to the readers. I couldn’t take it anymore so I visited page with links to all players and grabbed all available WARP data for them [along with some other stats] just to compile this list…

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Posted by on June 15, 2012 in Fringe Stats

 

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